February 23, 2012

DOJ dealing with concealed carry crunch

Wisconsin’s Attorney General says getting out the first round of concealed carry permits on time could be difficult.

The Department of Justice has 45 days to process applications that come in during the first month of the new concealed carry law, which took effect a week ago. Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen told lawmakers on Tuesday that could be a tough deadline to meet.

The agency received over 25,000 permit applications in the first week. So far, about 1,700 have been approved. DOJ says the application form has been downloaded from its website over 464,000 times since it went online last Tuesday.

Van Hollen says technology issues have slowed them down some because permits and background checks currently have to be done manually. He says that can be a very time consuming process.

A lack of manpower is also a problem. The concealed carry law created one full time position at DOJ to handle concealed carry and authorized 10 additional limited term employees. The agency also has 35 staff members from other areas within the department spending at least part of their days processing applications. Van Hollen says he could easily use about 70 to 80 more people, but he only has so many staff he can move around.

Despite the time crunch, Van Hollen is not asking for additional resources at this time. He says they want to meet the statutory requirements, and staff is working diligently to roll out permits as fast as they can.

AUDIO: Andrew Beckett reports  (1:06)

Lawmakers reject concealed carry training rule

Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen (PHOTO: WRN)

A legislative committee says Wisconsinites applying for a concealed carry permit will no longer need to go through four hours of training.

The requirement included in emergency rules written by the Department of Justice was struck down Monday by the Legislature’s Joint Committee for the Review of Administrative Rules.

Assembly Republican Leader Scott Suder (R-Abbotsford) and gun rights advocates had objected to the time restriction on training. Suder says the intent of the Legislature was to allow each permit applicant to decide on their own how much training they want to go through before carrying a concealed weapon. Suder says DOJ went beyond the intent of the Legislature when it wrote the emergency rules.

Appearing before the panel on Monday, Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen defended the time requirement. Van Hollen says the minimum was in line with what several other states have in place and, in many cases, was even on the lower end.

Van Hollen says the four hour minimum is needed so they agency has an objective way to evaluate permit applications. He argued that its removal will essentially gut enforcement of that portion of the law and brings the state closer to not even having a training requirement.

As it was written, Van Hollen says the rule clearly did not have much of an impact on who was able to apply for a license. He notes the agency received over 20,000 applications since the law took effect last week, with over 900 permits granted so far.

Based on the change, those applying for a concealed carry permit will only need to have papers signed by a certified instructor indicating they have completed some type of course. There will be no requirement to show how long the course took or where it was taken, although it must be done in person. Additional training is not required for those who have been in the military or law enforcement, or who have already taken hunter safety courses.

The Department of Justice will have to take the changes into account as it writes permanent rules for concealed carry, which will go before the Legislature for approval at a later date. The agency says it will also begin applying the changes immediately to applications already under review.

AUDIO: Andrew Beckett reports (1:14)

Assembly allows concealed carry

The state Assembly has approved a policy that allows concealed weapons in areas under its control.

Under the rules adopted Thursday morning, permit holders will be able carry concealed on the Assembly floor, in the public viewing gallery, and in committee hearing rooms. Lawmakers will have the ability to post signs banning hidden guns from their offices.

Majority Leader Scott Suder (R-Abbotsford) says 14 other states allow hidden guns in their Capitol buildings, and have not seen any real problems. He says citizens can be trusted to do the right thing, especially if they have gone through the process to obtain a concealed carry permit.

The policy was amended to clarify that only concealed weapons are permitted, after Assembly Democratic Leader Peter Barca (D-Kenosha) raised concerns that the original version could allow people to carry in rifles or shotguns.

Barca also offered an amendment to allow signs in the gallery. Several protesters have been removed recently for violating that rule and Barca argued that the First Amendment to the Constitution should be just as important as the Second. Republicans rejected the change, but said they are willing to consider the issue on its own at a later date.

The state Senate approved a policy earlier this week that allows concealed carry on the chamber floor and in committee hearings, but bans hidden guns from its public viewing galleries. Concealed carry is allowed in most other areas of the state Capitol building.

AUDIO: Andrew Beckett reports (1:04)

Concealed carry applications roll in

The state Department of Justice moved quickly on Tuesday to review the first wave of applications from those wishing to carry concealed weapons in Wisconsin.

As of about 4pm, the agency had issued about 120 licenses out of the roughly 150 applications received so far at the Department’s Capitol office. Of those applications received Monday, 90 licenses had already been printed and prepared for mailing.

While many chose to drop off their applications in person at the Department’s Capitol office, many others appear to be preparing to mail them in. DOJ says over 800,000 people viewed the application for concealed carry that was posted on the agency’s website for the first time Tuesday morning. That’s compared to the 81,000 hits the site receives on a typical day.

In a statement, Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen says he is encouraged to see people exercising their Second Amendment rights. Van Hollen received the first permit issued in the state Tuesday.

The concealed carry law allows anyone over the age of 21, who has not been convicted of a felony, to apply for a permit. Applicants need to have completed a four hour training course, pay a $50 fee, and pass a criminal background check.

The Department of Justice has 45 days to process applications received during the first month the law is in effect, although Van Hollen says his agency will “process applications from qualified residents as quickly as we can.”

State now accepting concealed carry applications

Wisconsin’s concealed carry law officially took effect this morning. At about the same time, David Zibolski with the Department of Justice says the application for a permit also went online for the first time.

The four page application outlines the requirements to obtain a concealed carry permit and provides key information about the law. Those wishing to carry concealed in Wisconsin will have to fill out the application and submit it to the Department of Justice, along with a $50 fee and documentation showing they have met the training requirements for a permit.

Zibolski says staff is already reviewing applications and conducting background checks, so he believes permits will start being approved and mailed today. However, DOJ does expect quite a few applications to come in during the first week, so Zibolski says it might take awhile before all of them can be processed.

The agency has 45 days to review applications that come in during the first month and then 21 days to process permits that come in later.

Permits must be approved and issued before an applicant can carry a concealed weapon.

AUDIO: Andrew Beckett reports (1:02)